Episode 48: Turning Fear Into Empowerment: Overcoming Mental Health Struggles With Beth Renov

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Mar 21

The world that we live in is more complicated than it’s ever been. With so much data, chaos around the world, and various sensory inputs that are bombarding us each day, it is quite a challenge to maintain our mental health. Beth Renov is a licensed social worker who has been in the trenches with individuals who seek to learn how to better cope with their mental health during these turbulent times. She joins Anand in this episode to share ways we can communicate our needs and fulfill them. Understand who you are from a more holistic perspective as Beth and Anand dive into a conversation of turning fear into empowerment.

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Turning Fear Into Empowerment: Overcoming Mental Health Struggles With Beth Renov

The world that we live in is more complicated than it's ever been before. With so much data, various sensory inputs bombarding us each day, and utter chaos around the world, it is quite a challenging time to maintain our mental health. In this episode, we have the privilege to speak with a Licensed Social Worker, Beth Renov, who is in the trenches with individuals who seek to learn how to better cope with their mental health during these turbulent times.

Beth Renov is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Jersey City. In her private practice, she helps clients gain a full understanding of who they are from a holistic perspective. Beth helps facilitate understanding how our thoughts, core beliefs, behaviors, sensations, reactions and actions are all a part of our body's way of communicating our unique needs and how to fulfill those needs and communicate them.

Beth also helps people deal with the ups and downs of daily life. She helps clients manage anxiety and depression that stems from trauma, illness, and other biological or circumstantial reasons by utilizing humor, compassion, empathy, along with evidence-based practices that help clients cope and, understand their humanity and live their most authentic life.

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Welcome, Beth Renov. How are you doing?

I'm good. How are you?

I'm doing phenomenal. It's so great to have you on. For our audience to know, she was one of my very first clients at om.life a few years ago. We reconnected. I think it was an Instagram post or story that I put up and you responded to it and said how refreshing it is that I was speaking to my truth because nowadays, not a lot of people are for fear of getting canceled or whatever. We had a good conversation. I wanted to bring you on the show to get your professional opinion on what's going on in mental health. In my opinion, it's one of the most important issues of our timeline as humanity progresses into the future. Thank you so much for coming on, Beth.

“Depression puts people in boxes without telling them they have an option of deciding what they want to do on their own. ”

Thank you for having me on. I have loved om.life since I've been there. I recommend for my clients to go there all the time too. People don't realize there's such a mind-body connection. The service you're bringing is so needed.

Thank you so much. Let's get into your background. Tell us the story of how you got to where you are as a Licensed Social Worker? What inspired you to get into that field?

I was the type of person who graduated college. I'm like, "I need to live in New York City. I will take whatever comes my way." I was a Communications Major Mass Communication. I was in online ad sales for marketing. It was right before websites had their in-house staff. We were the middleman between big publications, but it felt so not me. I don't think that ever or even now, they focus on honing in on what feels authentic to you? What do you think would be something good that would sit well with you and align with your morals? As you get older, you develop those. From the get-go, I'm like, "This is not for me."

I feel like I'm putting money in rich people's pockets and not doing something to help the collective. I think that was my first feeling of like, "This doesn't feel right. I'm listening to my intuition and had to think because I had to work and make a plan for the future.” Everyone comes to tell me their problems. I remember being in the city getting frozen yogurt and the guy who was serving me, we got into this conversation about his sister's Stage 4 breast cancer. I was mentoring him through it.

I feel like this is a calling and something about school has always fascinated me. I wanted to go into guidance counseling or school counseling. One of my mom's friends was like, "Go to social work school. You're not going to regret it. You could do so much with it." It was the best advice I ever got because I was in the school system. There are challenges within it as a social worker. You want to help people and the students are wonderful, but one, they're usually not coming voluntarily.

You're mandated with these kids, and they don't want to be there. You have that extra challenge. Working with a kid, you're not having the same conversation. There's not the same brain development where there's such an awareness of themselves. There is. It's just rare. You have the bureaucracy of school administration. I have been chronically ill my whole life and didn't know what then I never felt well. It became something I couldn't stay in the school system.

It wasn't working out with the school times and I needed to be more flexible. I want to help people, but I want people to come to me and voluntarily want to work with me. I found a private practice in the city. I love doing it, but it became too much for me. I was like, "I'm going to open a private practice here." It is so amazing to see the transformation that goes on when people want to work on themselves when they are like, "I'm going to commit to this and commit to myself and see this as an investment for myself rather than I'm paying someone to do that." That's how I got there.

There are so many things to unpack there. First of all, authenticity takes an awareness of oneself. In my story, it took me a very long time, almost 33, 34 years of my life, before I decided to start doing a profession that was part of my purpose and passion. I applaud you for learning about that and understanding it, checking in with yourself because it's not easy.

Sometimes the money is good in one area or the convenience or the fear of stepping outside of what we know. Sometimes we have this comfortable misery that we try to isolate ourselves in where I go outside of that. I don't know what's going to happen. That's fearful. If I stay in what this misery is, at least I know. It's the devil that I do know.

Secondly, it's also the fact that even on your journey of finding what you wanted to do, you realize there was some friction there working in the school system. You wanted to deepen your relationship with yourself and find more purpose. It doesn't feel good when people are forced to come to you, and you're not getting the same level of involvement when you're giving your heart.

I do see a lot of struggles with people that I've talked to in the school system, whether it's teachers or social workers. It's a difficult position to be in because of the bureaucracy and everything like that. I'm so glad that you found your niche, and now you're in Jersey City, living your best life helping people. As we move on, what does living a limitless life mean to you?

I think for me, that would mean being able to be who you are, live how you want, without the interference of others' judgment. The shunning that goes on and understanding who am I? Why do I function and operate the way I do? How can I, with that understanding, become the best version of myself and live in a way that's authentic to me? I am making decisions for myself based on what I want, not what society or my family wants or my friends are pressuring me. I think that ties into when I went into marketing and advertising, everybody was like, "You have to do a 9:00 to 5:00 job. You have to be in the corporate world and live your life a certain way." It makes you limited.

Being limitless means you are not putting restrictions on yourself for your potential, dreaming about what you want and allowing yourself that freedom to think beyond the box. Be like, "Even if this is the craziest idea, I'm going to go for it. Whatever happens, is probably going to lead me in a good direction." How do I want to live my life eating-wise, medically?

I want the freedom to be able to decide, "I don't think this way of medicine works for me. I want to be able to have the option to do it a different way that feels authentic to me." I think understanding your needs, and what you want to do in the way you want to do it, as long as it's not harming another person, I think that should be okay.

Why is it that you think that so many of us have been programmed to follow a certain direction and be liked by other people or acknowledged that we're doing the right thing? What is it in us that innately wants the approval of other people?

It's a loaded question because that can go all the way back to childhood needs that weren't met. Not even in a negative way like your parents abandoned you, but maybe your parents worked a lot. You didn't feel seen or heard, so you acted in a certain way to get that validation, attention, and ultimately love. That sets the stage for how we operate with other people, like people-pleasing or feeling distant from people. I think society plays such a role, especially with media and technology, coming into the picture.

“You have to figure out what’s right for you, and it’s not going to look the same for everybody.”

We have it in our faces 24/7 of how you're supposed to be. That does not leave any room for you to think, "Is this even what I want?" I saw a meme about Boomers, and no offense to any of them, but I think they lived in a lifetime where this is exactly the path you follow and impress that upon their children so that they won't struggle.

It's out of love, but that ultimately leads them to not think about what they want and not living in living an authentic life. That's why we see so much anxiety and depression is because people are doing things that don't feel right to them and they feel stuck. We're putting these people in boxes without basically telling them they have an option of deciding what they want to do on their own.

Back in the time when our parents were growing up, there weren't a lot of options for them in terms of following their dreams. We didn't have internet access to all this information, trades and skills that you could learn. Nowadays, people can make money in many different ways, whether it's a cryptocurrency, trading on a computer, social media influencing, online marketing or working from home. There is an infinite number of options. It's not where my parents came from, doctor or engineer, pretty much. Otherwise, you're not considered smart or whatever.

It's so important that we understand that each person is individual and that we have to start supporting people in their skill sets. In schooling, they only teach from a certain perspective or lens. "It's regurgitation. Memorize what you're taught and give it back to us. If you're able to memorize and repeat what we tell you, you get a good grade," but there are so many different ways of learning. We could go down the whole rabbit hole of that.

There are so many nuances that we talk about here, but especially we're living in such crazy times from a psychological perspective and what's going on, whether you believe in conspiracies or want to see what the reality is. Obviously, there are some psychological agendas going on. Whether it's the division in politics, on the COVID, the vaccines and all these different things that we're not even supposed to be talking about on shows, tell us about the psychological ramifications of what's going on in society, especially in America.

I can't speak to anything America because I live here, but you can see its division. I don't know when it started, but in the past several years, you could see tension cutting a knife through the country. Politics, I believe that it has taken the place of religion for people and following their morals, learning to be a good person, whatever that means. You are abiding by those values that a party sets for you rather than deciding, "What is important to me?"

It's like what we were talking about before is feeling you belong, accepted and we care so much what other people think? I'm a Democrat. If I don't agree with everything, a Democrat says, especially the extreme left, you are shunned, ostracized. This cancel-culture we have going on. You literally can't have an opinion anymore. You're not allowed to question or ask anything and assess if that's right for you. If one person says it, the whole party has to go along with it. Everyone in Congress and everybody is a citizen.

I think there is the main point that's forgotten is they work for us, not the other way around, but we have put these politicians on a pedestal. They're all-encompassing, and these celebrities that are not what the role was meant to be. They're not supposed to dictate to us how we're supposed to be. We're supposed to, as a collective, talk about things, the issues and have those addressed, not have people telling us how to live.

The point of America was freedom. I feel like it has been very restricted, especially in the last few years you have seen a drastic switch. I'm not saying that's a political party or not. You've seen the wave of everything being politicized, so it's driven a wedge and polarized people. We're not even in the middle where we can agree and have different ideas. We're so far apart. It's literally people projecting their hate, anger and insecurities onto each other, probably because no one's done the inner work.

I think that's a big part of it. It seems like the division is we're a sports team. You have to choose this particular team. You can't choose another team. You have to choose one or the other. Otherwise, whether it's somebody on the left, they're labeled a communist or an authoritarian, or someone in the right, you're a racist or a white supremacist. There is so much skewing of hatred.

I think initially when people are aligned to a certain party, it's important for us as a country to have a diversity of thought and be able to talk about it and come to the best conclusion. When you have two parties that are pretty extreme on both sides, and what's happening is that if they make a mistake, when they're in power, there will never be an admission of guilt.

You're reinforcing to the public, "My party is always right. It's so easy. The other team is the problem. They're not passing the laws and voting for us. They're not doing this or that." You can look at the other side of the party that's not in power, have all the power. They're authoritarians rather than working together. At the end of the day, my view is that these people are supposed to be public servants like you said, but they're not necessarily acting in our best interests. There are a lot of corporate interests, corporations influence in politics that are dictating money flow to candidates and things like that. You don't get to a certain level without having to play that game.

There's nobody to reach those levels of power, so you have to play that game. Anytime it comes to world issues, there are so many different sides to look at things. It's not right or wrong or black or white. Everybody has culpability. There's a reason. It was not just a week ago somebody decided to invade a country. It's years and years of things that are going on. It's very important not to all of a sudden align yourself to a party because the party's interests are not aligned with the people's interests.

I think once people start to understand that, it gives them permission to say, "I have my own thoughts. Let me dissect each issue and see where I lie on it." It's okay to be an outliner. You don't have to be a part of a particular party. The real power is getting involved if you are into politics or you want to make a change, getting involved in local politics where you can make a difference. It's a lot easier not to be divided locally and try to make things work between the two parties. To make a better society if that's what their goal is.

Lobbyists have influenced the way our politics have gone and we have no nuance. I think that is what you were saying before, too, about a war breaking out. There's no nuance. It's like, "This is right or wrong. Be on the right side of history." Do you even know that history? Do you know everything that went into that? No. Why are we all of a sudden experts because we go on social media and someone makes a meme about it? No. If you are interested, go and explore, but explore both sides.

First of all, there are three sides to a story. It's not even two. There's somewhere in the middle that's the truth. People don't want to do that. I feel like we've gotten lazy, and it's like, "This is immediately in my face. I get an emotional reaction. It must be true because I'm feeling that." Rather than being like, "What do our emotional reactions come from?" Is it that you feel bad this could be happening? Get as much information before you form this solid opinion that can be harmful towards someone else without knowing everything.

“You need to pay attention to the way your body speaks to yourself so you can give it what it needs. ”

You're attaching your identity to say, "This is a madman. My side is right," not even knowing that there's so much going on behind the scenes, whether it's this whole health thing the last few years or the vaccines. When we're so dead set, "I'm right and my party's right. They can never be wrong." When you showed evidence, "This is what the situation is. These are the facts." Facts don't matter these days.

It's all about emotions and opinions. If somebody can elicit certain emotions in you, they literally own your brain and psyche, rather than having the thoughts yourself. I've had experiences in my own business where I've had former employees literally attack me. They think that they're more moral than me based on an ideology that they have versus me trying to be critically thinking.

I speak out when I don't see things as up and up and being in authenticity, truth and light. It's very interesting where you have amazing relationships with people, and all of a sudden, they can get fractured based on politics. I have friends on all sides of the spectrum. I try never to let my politics or don't even have politics. I'm trying to stay apolitical. What I do seek is truth and try to uncover right and wrong. For myself, obviously, right is right for each individual. It's so sad that it's been so divisive, and many relationships have been affected by this brother-sister in many different ways.

It's easy to get swept up in like 1,000% with swept down, up in it, having that moral high ground, and you feel you have this moral hierarchy if you're in a party. It's very easy to be like, "The left stands for liberty, freedom, equality, and equity and those are all wonderful ideas." How has that been in practice, though?

Only until something affects you and starts to make you think me being sick and distrusting the medical community made me take a step back. What happened in May 2021 with Israel and Palestine and all the crazy misinformation going on and seeing people who I thought were my friends completely taking a side without stopping and being like, "First of all, is this true?" Why do we have whole-hearted trust in the media? It's ridiculous.

At this point, we have to ask ourselves, what is it within us that blindly trusts professional liars essentially? Look at where they're taking money from. It's absolutely insane.

I think that was a blessing in disguise because it pulled me back and saw where I was going. I definitely was like, "That right person because of Trump and whatever." Maybe there are the things about Trump I didn't think. I have no idea. I'm still not a huge fan of him, but that wasn't a reason to categorize someone in a different group because they supported him. Everybody has their own reasons. People's personal issues are going to inform what they believe, who they vote for, what issues are most important to them? That's going to look different in every person. We are completely erasing that and blanketing that everybody is this way or that way.

Can you dive deeper a little bit? If you don't mind sharing about your awakening and your distrust of the community, would you mind sharing your personal experience with that?

I am more than happy because I never want someone to go through what I've been through. I have pretty much been sick my whole life. I've had stomach issues. I got into a bad depression in my twenties. The stomach issues started happening. I was like getting migraines. I started having extreme fatigue. It was affecting work and my friendships. I knew something was off. All my doctors would say was, "You need to lose weight and eat better," but not give me a way to eat. They would give me the food pyramid, which is completely off. Food is so bio-individual. It's a ridiculous thing to give to everybody.

Finally, I went to an integrative doctor who was like, "You have a gluten intolerance." This is several years before the gluten craze. I went to my regular doctor. He's like, "That's BS. That doesn't exist. You are having migraines for other reasons. It's allergies." With the integrative doctor, I kept getting worse and worse. I was thrown on supplements that were costing me probably almost $5,000 a month on top of going to the doctor every few months.

None of these people take insurance, but I was like, "I'm desperate to get better." Finally, I was declining. My memory went. I couldn't find words and get out of bed. All of a sudden, my feet hurt so bad that I couldn't walk. My doctor happened to have a line like my integrative one. She's like, "Let me test it for you, but not the Western blot. Let's do a different test." All these co-infections. I don't think doctors even know what co-infections are, which is scary.

These are all infections from vectors, mostly ticks, mosquitoes, spiders and fleas. They all carry diseases that are co-infections of Lyme. Usually, Lyme would come with a co-infection. I have ten of them, but Lyme would never come up, so they wouldn't categorize it, but their tests are so faulty. I'm being put on treatment after treatment. It wasn't working. I decided to go to an infectious disease doctor and go the traditional route. I was on antibiotics for three years and was worse than I was, to begin with. My doctor basically was like, "Your urine and blood are clean. I don't know what to tell you. You're going to have to find someone else." I'm like, "Okay."

You get desperate. How many times have I known I had this? I went to probably fifteen doctors in all to figure out how to help me. They're telling me that chronic Lyme doesn't exist. Any doctor who wants to help someone will get their license taken away if they treat someone for chronic Lyme. It's ridiculous. Finally, Amy Schumer posted when she had Lyme disease and asked for doctors and the comments, and I was routed to Dr. Jess. I think you've followed her.

I was getting all this information. There are steps in healing. We all have parasites that hold these diseases. There's a certain order that you have to go when you heal from stuff like Lyme. Letting people know that if your doctor's not making you feel heard, not understanding and looking at different ways to heal you, they are not serving you well. There is such gaslighting in the medical community. It is that trauma affected me and probably made me worse because I literally thought I was crazy.

I was like, "I must be this crazy person. It's all in my head." With Lyme, you have a day or two where you feel good. You're like, "Maybe it is in my head." When I finally found a practitioner who isn't a doctor, she's an NTP, Nutritional Therapy Practitioner, she helped me. I started doing Reiki and they're called doll holistic. She does Reiki energy work on different kinds of magnets. She is an herbalist and had Lyme too. She was helping me and finding different ways. I think she was the first person I started with and that opened up a world for me of energy medicine.

That's probably the number one thing that's helped me heal. I do Reiki. I learned about MBSR, which I'm obsessed with, and I think it's amazing. I've done emotion code. MBSR is Mind Body Spirit Release. There's another thing called MBSR too. I was working with this nutritional therapy practitioner and helped me to understand that the food we put in our bodies is going to make a difference. There are orders of how we have to heal. I have first to open the foundations, which is opening drainage pathways.

“Politicians are not supposed to dictate how we’re supposed to be. People have forgotten that they work for us, not the other way around.”

We don't talk about this and how your food and lack of exercise and sleep are going to make it, so that doesn't happen and never heal no matter how many antibiotics you have. She took me through the specific protocol, and I'm still in it. I could tell you in six months, I've made more progress than in five years with traditional medicine.

We are onions and allopathic medicine only looks at one layer of the onion. It's crazy to think, if you have a lot of financial trouble and debt from all the different places and go to a tax accountant, they say, "What's your profit and loss?" They're not looking at all the other factors. It's going to be an issue. It's the same thing in medicine. When you are going to a doctor and they have a cookie-cutter model, if you have this symptom, this is what we're going to give you. Don't ask any questions. If it doesn't work, sorry, I can't help you, but you should continue to see me because I could keep billing you. I come from a family of doctors.

I understand there is absolutely a place for it. It helps a lot of people, but at the same time, each of us is so individualized. If I tell everyone in the world to eat peanut butter every single day, a good percentage of people are going to die because of allergies. I had no idea that you had Lyme. Thank you for sharing that, by the way. I'm so glad to hear that you're doing better.

I interviewed this guy, Mike Irizarry. I met him at a vegan restaurant. He told me about his journey through Lyme and how he went to thirteen different doctors. The last doctor told him, "If you keep coming back here telling me you have symptoms, when all your blood is fine, I'm going to commit you to a mental institution."

He and I were blown away even to hear that. He had to go through a whole journey, and it wasn't one holistic doctor. It was several holistic doctors. There's always a way around our health issues as long as we continue to, first of all, have the faith that we are whole and healing every single day, but continue to find the ways in which we can start seeing symptomatic relief, but then also treat ourselves holistically because that's what we are holistic beings. There are so many aspects to us. There are the mental, physical, spiritual and so many aspects to it, like sleep and food.

You have to figure out what's right for you. It's not going to look the same for everybody. Why is it taboo to have another way to heal if it works for people? It's not hurting anyone else. That's what makes me feel like it's all for money and greed. That's what doesn't sit right with me. It makes me not trust doctors sometimes because they've been so wrong in the past.

That leads us to one of the biggest medical issues of the day, the jab. I can't even say the word sometimes because of the censorship, but to think that there's only one method to heal this one company and us with a P or with an M, whichever jab you want to look at. These companies have been guilty of being the most negligent fraudulent companies and paying the largest criminal fines in the history of the world. Yet they're the hope for humanity and every single person has to take one or the other, not looking at all the side effects, the data and the ingredients and "Could that be bad? Could that be helpful?"

Maybe it could be helpful, but would it be helpful for every single person to take it? Are the risks where the efforts to take it? What happens if somebody has an underlying condition that affects their immunity and doesn't make it? Is that okay for a federal government to say, "Everyone has to take it and we'll deal with the consequences?" No, it's absolutely not right. In my opinion, it's the rape of the body. It’s medical rape.

I think it's also valuing one set of people over another, those who comply with those who don't. That's not right. I don't get how you can tell someone what to put in their body. Yes, I understand if it's for the greater good thing. It still doesn't mean it's right for everybody. I think what's worse is the judgment, the shaming. It's like, "Who are you to tell someone what they're comfortable with?” It's so arrogant. I can tell you almost no one understands why I have not taken it. I have medical reasons. I don't do well with flu shots. I've been in the hospital from numerous medications. I should be outcasted because I don't want to put something in my body I don't trust.

I react to food. These are chemicals, heavy metals and toxins you're putting in your body. If that's right for you, it’s okay. I don't judge you for doing it. Don't judge me or judge someone else. It's not right. First of all, I don't think anybody looks at the websites. It's not sterilizing the vaccine. It's like the flu. It constantly mutates, so it's never going to be something that will broadly eradicate it. If you listen to doctors, they're saying, "It's going to be the trend, like a common cold."

The common cold started out as a SARS virus and morphed into this. That is how it's going to be. We don't quarantine for the flu. I'm uncomfortable going out and having weird issues with reintroducing myself into society, but I don't judge other people who do. It's your option of what you want to do and feel comfortable with. Those who don't agree with the mainstream are outcasted and judged for it. I don't think that's right.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who are on the side of, "This is the right thing to do from a societal health perspective." When they're not looking at the facts and making blanket statements like safe and effective, that's very misleading. If they realize what they're saying, maybe some people do, from the financial perspective. There's a lot of money to be made. Hospitals are making hand over fist.

They're making monies with diagnosing, and people are getting ill from other things and dying of those, but they got this thing as well. Hospitals are getting a lot of money for ventilators. It's a very large financial incentive for people to play a part in this charade. At the end of the day, the number of total mortalities is no different than it has been for years.

If we saw a big uptake in total mortalities, that's the number one stat that you try to look at that it would make sense, for the entire reaction to happen and all the negative side effects like depression, suicide, division and this whole racial thing that happened. It has maybe been brewing for a while, but the racial division, the psychological traumas that our kids are having. They're asked to take their masks off. A lot of kids are like, "I'm not going to be protected if I don't have a mask." They've been taught to think that.

Imagine in your formative years to be taught and in fear like that. I know so many business owners that have lost everything that they worked for. Johns Hopkins did a study it showed that lockdowns had literally no effect on overall mortality. It didn't save any lives, but it did have devastating effects on the economy. It's so sad to see that after all the people that try to ward against all these extreme measures, now they're being proven correct. I don't want to be proven correct. I would like to think that people are doing the right thing, but at the end of the day, I was saying these things for two years. Whatever was going on, whether it was planned or reactionary, or opportunistic, it didn't do anything and help in any way.

The numbers are down, so something's helped. I just don't know what. I feel conflicted about this because I think we don't understand it. I feel for myself, I don't know who to trust. That is where the confusion lies. I think this is where party stuff comes in is because of people who are speaking out, I do not agree with so many other things. It's like, "Do I trust them with this?" I see all these people will be like, "Follow the money." If you do, you do see these people are profiting. Are they pushing this? The campaign to push is aggressive.

“Most people talk to themselves worse than anybody else would.”

Everywhere you look, it's on buses and television. It's like celebrities and social media influencers that you know. They're all promoting it. Obviously, they're getting paid for it.

You have it everywhere, being like, "This is what you need to do. Telling you you're a bad person.” Society is telling you how to be and I will never do something because someone tells me to. That's not who I am. I will always fight against that so I can make my own decision, but I don't feel I have good information to make a decision that's right for me. That is what stopped me. They don't know what it looks like in Lyme. They don't even know anything about Lyme. I don't need to be worse than I am. I don't judge someone else who's like, "What if they live a clean lifestyle and don't want to put that in our bodies."

We're also seeing that people who take care of themselves with food, exercise and boosting their immunity in natural ways are not getting it as this bad. Natural immunity is better than anything you're going to put on in your body. It's this confusing message of like, "Not that everybody should get it through spreading, but you probably would be better."

I don't want people to be sick. This is where I get confused with myself, but I don't know the right answer. I think if there was more honesty and transparency because there are so many people talking about adverse effects that they will not publish, make the public know. It's like, "That's crazy. You hear fake news." No, people have real consequences. Why is that okay that people are not taking it.

It's like navigating all this data. Obviously, there's a lot of misinformation on both sides. Pfizer didn't want to release their data for many years. What does that tell you when someone doesn't want to be transparent? From that perspective alone, it should raise a lot of alarms, but they had to release. I think it was 50,000 pages. They found that there were 1,291 severe side effects. These were one-off things. This was from a report of 42,000 cases that were reported to the VAERS system, which is the adverse reaction place where people are submitting their issues. They say only 1% to 2% of actual cases get reported.

What does that tell you in the grand scheme of things? It's so difficult to navigate these days. For me, I had to step into what I know and that's a holistic health and making sure that I'm mentally maintaining my proper meditation, thinking right, and not getting consumed by all the news and the division and all of that. Physically I'm eating the right things. Detoxifying and eating as the seasons change. I’m living in a happy state and gratitude and spiritually, I feel connected to source through my meditations and all that stuff. It's not easy for everyone out there who doesn't have the tools that are I do. Can you tell us a little bit about how you help individuals navigate in these crazy times?

I think it's understanding and I go from a holistic perspective too. I do not think we have separate parts. I think they're interconnected. Your body's off, your brains off, your emotional state. The stuff I'm working on is energy work, when you raise your vibration, all the meditation you're doing, detoxifying and as you raise your vibration, it makes you not susceptible to disease.

What leads to disease is dis-ease and that's the emotional piece of it. I do look at a whole perspective. Do you have physical symptoms going on? Let's rule out anything medical first because that is going to affect your emotional state like anxiety or depression directly. On a day to day, if someone's like, "I'm going through a circumstantial thing, that's hard for me."

We're going to look at, okay, well, what are you telling yourself? At the base of everything, you react to the thoughts in your head. You don't react to an event. It's what you are telling yourself that is causing this reaction. What are the negative consequences of their reaction? Usually anxiety, depression, insomnia, ruminating thoughts, fatigue, wherein your body you're feeling tightness in my chest and my heart feeling like it's going to pop out. When you can connect all those things and become aware of them, it's easy to reframe. It's like riding a bicycle. It's going to be hard at first, but it's going to become automatic. We are so wired to have the negative. We seek out the negative as a survival tool.

When we were sitting in savannas and picking berries, we needed to be aware that Lyme has been accompanied us, but that adaptation turned into more of the threat was of the self and ego. We need to do ego work and see that you're going to pick up on negative things naturally. How can we start to pay attention to the positive? How can we start to use gratitude to calm down our nervous system?

How can we use deep breathing, meditation, mindfulness and become aware of our thoughts so that we can reframe them? Most often, what I see is people talk to themselves worse than anybody else would. It's like, "Why do we allow ourselves to bully ourselves?" I help people to externalize that voice and be like, "This person was talking to you. What would you say back?"

I help them to realize what is going on in their head, how that's connected to their body and how they can use their body to understand what is going on. When I'm feeling anxious, what is the purpose of this emotion? It's identifying emotions and understanding the purpose it's serving you. Anxiety is like, "You need change." If you're not going to pay attention to it, I'm going to come up, so you're forced out of change. It's getting into your body, understanding it, understanding your emotions and thoughts and how they impact you. Also, learning to reframe them and pay attention to the way our body speaks to ourselves so we can give it what it needs.

I admire the fact that you look at it from such a holistic place because a lot of social workers or psychologists only look at a certain level, the emotional part. Look into a lot of the history, but there are so many levels, the energetic and the spiritual aspect of it. You want to empower people to live their best lives. It's not the event. It's your story about what the event was. You can either look at it as the worst day of your life or the best thing that helped you transform your life in a better direction. It's so beautiful to hear that I could talk to you all day about this. Why do you think you came here to planet Earth? What did you want to experience?

I think I came to help people and how people understand themselves. It's almost a domino effect. If I can do that work on myself, so I can help others, they'll help others. Eventually, it's going to become the collective. I can literally talk to anybody. I don't know why people feel comfortable with me, but they do. I'm happiest when I'm giving, helping and watching people transform. That is the most beautiful thing to me. If I can help and take part in that, it is obviously the person who's doing it. They should have the credit for the work that they do, but I love being a part of that process.

Your heart shines when you're communicating. I noticed it from day one. We've always had such beautiful conversations a few years ago since you started coming in. Beth, thank you so much for coming on. How can we learn more about you?

You can either follow me on Instagram @BethRenovLCSW or you can go to my website at BethRenovLCSW.com. Thank you so much for having me. This is awesome.

If anyone's looking to work with Beth, it takes a lot of courage to see that you want to move to a better place. You're in great hands with her because she's a wonderful person. She's looking at the entire aspect of helping humanity and individuals like yourself.

Thank you.

Important links

Beth Renov
Om.life
Mike Irizarry - Previous episode
Johns Hopkins - Study: Lockdowns had little or no impact on COVID-19 deaths
@BethRenovLCSW - Instagram
https://PayPal.me/OMLIFE?locale.x=en_US
@Anand.life
@OmLifeWellness
LimitlessOnePod@Gmail.com
https://EmeraldDB3.substack.com/p/the-pfizer-vaccine-only-has-1291?s=r
https://www.PsychologyToday.com/us/therapists/beth-renov-lcsw-llc-jersey-city-nj/721769

About Beth Renov

Beth Renov is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker in Jersey City. In her private practice, she helps clients gain a full understanding of who they are from a holistic perspective. Beth helps facilitate understanding how our thoughts, core beliefs, behaviors, sensations, reactions, and actions are all our body’s way of communicating our unique needs and how to fulfill these needs and communicate them.

Beth also helps people deal with the ups and downs of daily life. She helps clients manage anxiety and depression that stems from trauma, illness, and/or other biological/circumstantial reasons by utilizing humor, compassion, empathy, along with evidence-based practices that help clients cope and understand their humanity and live their most authentic life.

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