Episode 86: Into The DMT Dimensions: A Journey To Limitless Living With Adam Butler

If a molecule existed that granted you access to your truest and highest self, dissolving the illusions you've created for your current reality, and the technology to directly communicate with God, would you want to take it? What if this molecule is already produced within your own body in trace amounts every single day? Today, we delve into the spirit molecule, Di Methyl Tryptamine, or DMT, with Adam Butler, author of Butler's DMT Field Guide. We discuss the nature of reality, the different dimensions he's accessed, God, transcendence, and finding your life purpose.

Adam Butler is a psychedelic philosopher and passionate DMT psychonaut focusing on mental health, neuroplasticity, self-exploration, and the extreme limits of human potential and ability. Combining an academically trained intellect, an empathetic heart, and life-hardening experiences, Adam has found his niche in helping others overcome the fear associated with PTSD, depression, sexual repression, and addiction. By incorporating psychedelic compounds with deep meditation, lucid dreaming, and tantric practices, he has transformed from an overworked, overweight, stressed-out alcoholic into a balanced, healthy, and sober friend and mentor to many.

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Into The DMT Dimensions: A Journey To Limitless Living With Adam Butler

Dissecting The Fabric Of Reality

Adam Butler, welcome to the show.

Thank you. Thanks for having me. I'm excited. I think we have a lot in common to discuss.

I’ve been getting into your book, and it's absolutely incredible. It's called Butler's DMT Field Guide.

Butler's DMT Field Guide: A Brief History, Step-by-Step Recipes, and Personal Experiences From a DMT Saturated Consciousness

Yes, it is. That opened up a whole new world to me, including shows like this. It's a book that I never thought that I'd be writing about a life that I never thought I'd be living and now talking about. Ultimately, that's probably how our paths got initially crossed.

Living A Limitless Life

I'm a big studier researcher and also experiencer of DMT, so yeah, absolutely. I would love to get into your story, but before we begin, I just wanted to ask, what does living a limitless life mean to you, Adam?

Right off the jump, huh?

We don't fuck around.

I think it’s profound but simple. I think to become limitless or truly understand the power of that word and to then live it is, I think you first have to understand and know yourself and take the time to know yourself. That in my understanding of myself and other people leads to learning how to love yourself. Once you love yourself, you're able to tap into just a whole new world of love and gratitude and connection. Just like we were saying before recording, you start bringing in a group of people to help you get there. I think limitless is a mentality and a knowing that you can manifest and truly create the life that you want. I live that every day. To me, it's not a catchy slogan or a nice name of a podcast. It really is how I live because I’ve now been experiencing and practicing it for years now. It’s awesome. It feels so good.

That's the common thread. Everyone I talk to that I feel so connected with is first, it's the journey of finding yourself because a lot of times, people who go down this path of spirituality and inward thinking maybe we feel that there's something missing initially. Once we find ourselves and truly become comfortable in ourselves and then really start shining our light, then we start falling in love with ourselves.

It's not coming from an ego place. It's coming from a place of, we all come from the divine, so why would the divine make anything that should not love themselves and love others because if we can't love ourselves, we can't love other people. It's into sharing that. Thank you for telling us about that because it just reinforces everything that this show is all about.

Removing The Proverbial Societal Plaque

It's getting rid of that proverbial plaque that society puts on us. Just learning a little bit about your story, we talked about some of your prior guests. At 44 years old, I had that midlife proverbial crisis. I think if you have this many years on the planet my story isn't necessarily unique when you say life and just piles its stuff on you, but you use the word shining the light. I think that societal plaque is a twofold, detrimental thing where it not only it doesn't allow you to shine your inner a light and to show your unique story and to express yourself creatively, artistically, lovingly. It also doesn't allow the radiant light and beauty and love of that universal source, whatever you want to call it.

DMT: The societal plaque is a two-fold detrimental thing where it doesn't allow you to shine your  light and it doesn’t allow to recharge and enrich you.

It doesn't allow that to recharge you and enrich you either. As soon as you get rid of that plaque, and for me it was DMT that that blasted that plaque off, the second that happened, I realized, and not that everything in my life was solved, if anything, now a spotlight was shown just on all the bullshit that I needed to clean up. Once that plaque was removed, I could be my authentic self. It's been so liberating. Maybe this is a perfect time to make that disclosure. It worked for you and it worked for a couple of our mutual friends. I don't think psychedelics are necessarily for everybody. DMT is definitely not for everybody. There are other ways of removing the veil.

Whether it be meditation, whether it be prayer, there's other ways, but whatever method that you need to do to get there. I mentioned just coming back from Monroe Institute. They have technologies there that really help you get into that mind space as well. It’s not what a lot of society is into right now, which is alcohol and prescription pills and just masking it and lying to themselves. It sounds like it brought you to the edge just like it brought me to the edge, as opposed to now being so joyful and content with who we are with all of the troubles that we still have. For sure, that's everything in perspective.

Such an important point. There are so many methods or so many roads to that lead to that same place and technologies that we can use. Obviously, DMT is one. Mushrooms is another one. Meditation, Monroe Institute, Joe Dispenza retreats. There are so many. We just are looking for the one that resonates best with us. You're absolutely right. Psychedelics are not for everyone. I definitely wouldn't recommend it for anyone. If anyone reading is inspired by this, please tap into your inner self because we're not suggesting anything, and we're not promoting any particular way or method for you to seek your own enlightenment. We're just sharing our journeys.

If I could, though, to add to that point. I think that the conclusion, and I actually just wrote, I was going to say a cool paper. I think it's a cool paper. The one that I sent you about the crossroads of DMT and the Monroe Institute eSync Technology. My conclusion is that you don't need DMT or strong psychedelic drugs or crazy new technology to get you to these ascended states of altered or higher consciousness.

Just like your last guest or a couple guests ago, Misha, was saying through his study of ancient plant-based medicines, you're getting to that same place. It’s really just taking the time for yourself and out of everybody's busy day and out of their busy life and just trying to figure out who you really are. For some people, you need the ayahuasca retreat, or in my case, I needed the DMT blast. There are other ways of finding that. Yoga is a perfect example. Take time to do that and really get into deep breathing meditations, and you'll find the bliss that that we're all looking for or talking about.

Adam's DMT Journey

Let's get into your background and your story. Can you tell us a little bit about how you got to this place?

Very unique story with a lot of twists and turns. I guess really the relevant part to our conversation is my life before DMT and after DMT. I mentioned this in my book about my upbringing because I think it's important to show the fact that I was raised with a silver spoon in my mouth, that I did have every possible advantage as a rich White kid living in New England. My grandfather gave me a bunch of money to invest in businesses when I was young. I had awesome parents, great grandparents. I was into real estate investing. I owned a bunch of properties, and I mentioned this only because my downfall and the destruction of everything in my life was all to my doing and my making.

This isn't like, “Woe is me. The world kicked me down, or I can't believe these women broke my heart.” Not at all. I mention these things because it's also important to know that I’ve had a lot of the material successes that some people think will make them happy. Maybe not to the level of the ocean front houses with Ferraris, but really to the point where I was making really good money and had everything on paper. I lost it all due to self-destruction, but it really was psychedelics and started with shrooms. Shrooms and DMT really are what altered the cost trajectory of my life and is ultimately why I wrote that book, and is why now I'm dedicating really the rest of my life to trying to share this message.

The sum of it was I had about 3 or 4 major events happen over the course of about a year and a half that just really got me to the point where I was on the edge. I was really in a dark place. Quite frankly, I was suicidal, and it wasn't like I had a bad day at two or a bad week or two. I gave this a lot of thought about if I wanted to stay on this planet or not. I started getting into shrooms because I was hearing about the therapeutic value, and I was reading, doing the research understanding that this maybe could help me. I started pushing it, doing 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 grams. I was pushing it pretty deep, and I was really getting good value.

I was really starting to hold up that proverbial mirror to myself where I couldn't lie like I was doing to my therapist or to my friends, but I didn't have that full shakeout or that full life-changing epiphany. That's when I was exposed to DMT. A friend of mine, a brother of mine said that he had some for me, and I had access to it if I wanted to. He knew really, again, the spot that I was in. Prior to moving forward with it, I did as much research as I could. I took several months reading the books, all the research. I would say, starting with Rick Strassman, DMT: The Spirit Molecule, that's probably the go-to.

That was my entryway into learning about this along with Joe Rogan as well.

Those two are the good intros. You start expanding out, and I immediately had the respect and reverence for the molecule. I thought I understood why these people were calling it the spirit molecule, and I really wanted to understand what they were experiencing, because that that's what I needed to really save my life. As I said, it took several months of doing as much research as I could. That day really changed my life. I mentioned in my book how I took about 50 hits that first day, which I don't recommend really anybody doing, but I was really like, “I’ve got to get this done and I got to get this out. I’ll die if trying if I don't.”

That was spaced out over about 6, 7 sessions, and each session was 6, 7 hits. At the end of it all, I had the moment that I needed, which was that DNA download, that upgrade, whatever breakthrough where you're connecting with God, source, energy, whatever you want to call it. As I said, it changed my entire life. I can get into it, if you'd like, the progression of those hits and what happened.

Since that day, I’ve truly been the most blissful, happy content, absolutely connected that I’ve ever been. That being said, I'm broke. I have none of the material wealth. I'm basically homeless. I'm still living in my parents' basement. I'm working for $20 an hour when I used to make $1,000 a day. I have a lot of rebuilding that I need to go through, but without a doubt in my mind, I know that I'm on the path that I need to be on now.

Let's just rewind because I'm a follower of Dr. Joe Dispenza's work and he talks about the quality of your thoughts are going to determine the quality of your life and what shows in the 3D realm. Before getting into the DMT, that blast off that you had that really transformed your life, what were the conversations that you were having in your own mind about your life and yourself? Just to get I guess a comparison as to what is going on right now.

Joe Dispenza’s proven method of the power of brain and heart coherence and how that really does affect your physiology. I actually read his book Becoming Supernatural before doing DMT and reading his book actually was part of my research. One, he talks about endogenous DMT, so it is naturally produced in your own body and the importance of being in that coherent state where you're really mindful of what your intentions are. You're asking what was my mental state. I was overweight, depressed, alcoholic, belligerent, narcissistic, all of the most horrible things. They were there but I also had that voice in me saying, “You are beautiful. You are a facet of God. You are light. You just need to somehow figure this all out.”

DMT: You are beautiful. You are a facet of God. You are light.

I knew I always had this internal conflict where I knew my true self wasn't really being shown to the world. I guess that's why I leaned into plant-based medicines. DMT fell into my lap and that seems to be a common story too. Somehow, some way, DMT finds people when they need it and how they need it, and then it finds and fills that psychological or crack in their psyche that only they know is there. I knew that I needed fixing and I knew that it wasn't going to come from prescription pills, alcohol, just continuing to make money or sweep it under the rug. There was a sense of seeking.

What Is DMT?

That inner voice, whether you want to call it the higher self or an angel telling you that you are whole, you just need to find yourself again, that same situation happened to me. I always knew that there was a bit of greatness in me, and I can find that I love within myself. Prior to my spiritual awakening, I just felt like I wasn't enough. I felt I wasn't loved and all the all the stories, but I just knew keep moving forward on this path. You're going to find it. It's there for you. Everybody comes to that place in their life where they have a breaking point of like, “What am I doing here?”

There are so many different paths to go. Alcohol is one path. I think a lot of people try to medicate themselves. I think that's the intention because they're so much pain, they do alcohol or they go into heroin or really destructive patterns. There are also these rehabilitative patterns and finding the divine in you. DMT obviously was that catalyst for you. Before we go forward, just for anyone who hasn't really explored what this is, can you tell us what DMT is specifically?

DMT stands for dimethyltryptamine. It's a ubiquitous molecule that my understanding is found basically throughout all of nature. It's in thousands and thousands of plants, where it's almost more common to find it than not find it. My understanding it's in all mammals and it’s a chemical really can induce that connection to God and source that I think we're all looking for. The thing that really got me attracted to it, and I think why Rick Strassman was gravitated toward to do his research was the fact that it is endogenous. Meaning once again that it is produced naturally in your own body because of that, there's a couple things. It is metabolized very quickly. When you smoke DMT, it lasts 6, 7, 8 minutes, as opposed to if you drink it in ayahuasca form or if you're doing shrooms or LSD, that's 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 hours.

The beauty of DMT is that you can really have these deep, profound psychedelic experiences come out of it, be able to integrate the lessons you've learned and then carry on with your day or, like I did that first day, go into it again and really get I felt as though I got years and years of therapeutic value in a matter of an hour and a half. The fact that you can also induce it and pulse it through natural breathing and meditation, that, to me, also gave me more confidence that this is a molecule that I can't explore further where it's not like this poisoning sensation like shrooms or LSD where you know that, “Shit, this is coming on,” and you've got to prepare for it.

DMT, and I mention this often, about that first hit, so that first day was a really profound experience going through the first hit to that last breakthrough session. That first hit was really unique in the fact that it felt very natural and innate. Instantly, your senses go completely berserk, and you're seeing and sensing all these weird things, but it was just very natural feeling. There was this sensation in the back of my nasal cavity that was just normal. It tasted normal. Now that I’ve done DMT as many times as I have, when I do these breathing meditations, and I get that sensation again, you clearly taste DMT running down the back of your throat. It is very distinctly that. That's something that I think is important when we distinguish DMT from other psychedelics. The fact, too, and I have chapters in my book, or a chapter in my book about recipes.

I’m not condoning anybody to do anything illegal. I would think it's important that these DMT in ayahuasca is a simple extraction process where you truly are just taking them out. You can buy it legally, and it looks like mulch. I think it's important for people to know that they can provide their own medicine, their own natural plant-based Mother Earth remedies and not have to depend on pharmaceutical companies and shit like that. It's just the whole process to me was something that was very appealing. Now, being into it for as long as I’ve had it, and now trying to share my story, but also gathering other stories from other people, just the profound power of this molecule surprises me every day. Take it with heed. It will blow up your foundational structures of life.

I think that's a good thing. We only know what we know. Our ego tries to contain us into an identity. This is an opportunity when somebody either produces an endogenously or taking a DMT hit or something like that, it allows you to sidestep your identity and your ego to just observe it and see where you're at. It's a nice way to step outside of who you think you are, because often it's a bunch of bullshit, and it's like these thoughts that you have every single day, you're reinforcing your identity over and over. How do you make those changes without really seeing a true reflection of what you are without this cloudy mirror that you’re facing?

The Profound Power Of Psychedelics

Most people can't hear it from other people. I know if somebody else would've told me all the negative things about me, and again, I’ve put them all in their proper place. I’ve used them for growth, but if anybody were to go through down that list of all the nasty attributes that I used to possess, I would've been very defensive and I would've been, then I would've listed all the positive things. Look at all the money I’ve made, look at all the success that I’ve had.

You can't lie to yourself when you're on psychedelics and you're looking at yourself heartfeltly in the mirror. That can be difficult for a lot of people. When people talk about having a proverbial bad trip, I don't know, I’ve never had the trips where I'm being chased by demons or devils like I'm in a horror movie. The difficult trips or the “bad trips” are the ones where you're hearing information that you don't necessarily want to hear. That's the power of psychedelics.

 You mentioned about the voices in your head, and where do you put them in proper perspective? I think psychedelics, or even just taking the time to go within, allow you to really put those voices in the proper perspective. I know with me, I had a lot of the negative ones constantly screaming in my head, “Go ahead, go drink. Tell this guy you're going to kill him. Be belligerent, be all of these nasty things.” I was never able to put those voices in their proper context. With psychedelics, it really allowed me to say not, “Shut up. Go away. Don't ever express yourself.” I don't want to worry about the trauma or the past negative experiences.

No. Let them all have their say. Let bring them all to the table, but then put them in the proper perspective and not let them control my life anymore. That was really important, too, because it’s not dissolve your ego. Don't have any of the negative thoughts. I don't think that's the right way of looking at it because that'll come and kick you in the ass again in the future. I think it's know yourself holistically, understand that the docker attributes as well as the lighter ones, but then put them in their perspective. I think people have that bad trip. It’s facing the shittier aspects of yourself. It’s facing the lies that you've been telling to other people and to yourself.

The beauty of coming on the other side of that, which is I think the common smile that you and I have, that this group of people that we're talking about that are trying to raise the consciousness of humanity and what's this next step is that it's so refreshing to know once you stop lying to yourself, because then you stop lying to everybody else, you stop lying to society, you become comfortable in your own skin. Life becomes so much easier to go through because you're not fabricating this bullshit story. You're not worrying about making sure that the stories jive. It's just you live contently and naturally aligned with your true calling, which is not skewed by any other person. Once you're aligned with that, everything else just falls into play.

Once you stop lying to yourself, you stop lying to everybody else.

There is no differentiation between work and play. Who cares if it's weekday or weekend. You really do get to be here in the now. If I could finish that tirade, at the end of that 50-hit session on that first day, and everybody would have their own breakthrough, profound epiphany, so to speak, mine really was, I was trying to put everything in proper perspective from my past. It had all these beautiful aspects, but clearly had blown up and caught on fire. What am I going to do in the future? How do I get out of all of it? I was so separated between the past and the future that I wasn't currently in the present now.

That DMT session at the end of it was like, “Do you want to connect all these dots? Yeah, they're connected and then no shadow, and then a million more, and then let's connect those and no shadow, then a trillion more.” The point isn't to connect the dots. It's to enjoy the space between the dots. It's to enjoy the space between the beat. It's to really just be here now. With that, I was able to then enjoy every sip of coffee, enjoy every bite of ice cream, enjoy every time I make love to a beautiful woman, enjoy looking at pictures of kids, of people that I don't even know all that well.

It's like I look at that little dude and I instantly start laughing and smiling. That's what I think is the real power of coming out of all of this. You become authentically you. That becomes just really easy to navigate this world in a world full of bullshit and societal pressures and stresses. It's like, be yourself. That was a big rant

That's powerful because sometimes, we get inundated so much in the analytical process of thinking about the past and thinking about this person and this person hurt me, or I hurt this person. It is like, there's so much weight that we're carrying on. To live with that level of freedom and be like, “That stuff, everything just happened and it is what it is.” Being okay with it. Knowing that, at any moment, you can shift your reality and not hold onto all this stuff that is weighing you down.

At the end of the day, how many of us live in the past? We're thinking about the same things that we did in the past, and we're just bringing it forward to the future. It's like, how do you even have the mental capacity or the energetic flow in your body to now start attracting the things that you want when all you're doing is thinking about previous shit that has gone wrong?

On Attracting The Things You Want

Instead of sitting there across the dinner table looking at how beautiful your wife is, or how amazing your kids are, or appreciating the fact that you have a beautiful home, or that you have your health, that you're not in a hospital, there's so much that can be appreciated if you're sitting in a bubble of gratitude as opposed to a bubble of stress and anxiety. That really is the biggest benefit out of this. It’s the physiological response or the physiological state of being that your body naturally is in.

Now I know very clearly when I have any stress indicators, if my mind or my body is off, and I listen to that now, where, like we mentioned before, so many people just blind those stress signals or cover them up or mask them with pills or alcohol. Now the slightest incoherence of my heart or mind or the slightest agitation of my physical body, I listen to that sign right away. I appreciate it. I give thanks for the sign, and then I try to do the best I can to remedy it. That's how you live a happy, healthy lifestyle. That's how you beat diseases. Your body works in coordination with your intentions.

A lot of people are just think, “Let me push this body and use it like a machine,” and it backfires on you. To be present in every moment, especially, with having a new kid or like in my case, I feel like because I did almost take my life. This really is my second chance. Every day I have, I'm excited for everything, and I'm not looking for any certain outcome. I'm not looking for any type of new money or anything. I really just float through each day looking for what this experience is going to bring with no preconceived notion of how it should pan out as opposed to where I used to be so pent up and always trying to push my own way.

That doesn't mean don't have goals or don't have desires that you want to see to come to fruition, but it's just have faith that the universe will also show you a path that may be better than what you originally thought. That was something that took a little bit of my ego to get pushed back a little bit, to be like maybe what you think isn't always the best, to let that pan out now.

Letting the universe create possibilities that maybe you didn't think of. If you leave the universe open to, “I would love magic to enter my life every single day, and I'm going to live without expectation,” then you'd be amazed. If you're aware of it and you see all the beautiful synchronicities that are happening every single day, at every moment, all the opportunities that are flying by, you can start living in that magic. Now you're creating momentum because, if you're living with an expectation, “This needs to happen. I need to make $1,000 today.”

What are you doing? You're setting yourself up for failure when you're expecting that particular thing, and then it snowballs itself. When you're just open to whatever's going to happen, “I'm going to live in my heart. I'm going to live with beauty in my life. I'm going to appreciate all the little things,” when you, when you start living that way, life becomes very magical, very happy. Amazing things that are happening constantly to you.

From the mundane to the most magical of events, whether you're shopping at the market or you're sitting on the coast on vacation, there's no separation really of those moments. They're all magical. They're all beautiful. There is something to be absorbed in each one of those moments. It's a great way to walk through life, because then you start seeing those synchronicities and you start seeing those guideposts on your life that tell you where to go, but also where not to go. You learn to follow your intuition and gut, and it really becomes a fun, joyous life.

I want to preface that with all of the financial success that I had before and all the abundance, I don't have any of that now. It’s not like I'm sitting on this place of like, “It's easy for him to say.” I'm in the struggles now that a lot of people are in. I think it's probably more important to have the right perspective, because you have to come home and be the example that you want to be for the family and for your community.

Be that that person that sings and whistles and dances and skips and acts like a little kid. Be that guy that goes and hugs his other guy friend and tells him, ‘It's okay, man. I love you brother.” That's what we need to be sharing. However that big consciousness shift has to happen for our society, whether it be DMT or like I said, Monroe Institute, deep meditation, darkness retreats, I think there's this pivotal shift that's happening in society. I don't know if it'll necessarily happen in our lifetime, but certainly status quo can't stay the same.

It's either going to deflect horribly bad or hopefully turn really good. I'm hoping it turns really, really good. It's going to be this consciousness shift of what myself has been talking about. Even several of your guests. As I said, I went back your episodes, and it seems like everybody is coming to the same realization of stop being in this rat race that somebody told you to be in. Don't listen to that and listen to yourself. It'll better the world.

We live in such an amazing time to be alive. Our parents, Boomers, didn't have any options. They had to pick a field, they had to work, get a mortgage, get a house, and then raise their kids. They didn't have any time, especially my parents. They didn't have any time to think about what lifts their soul. We have the opportunity to have things like DMT, inner our awareness now with the internet, learning, researching, finding all these things. The generation below us, a lot of them live in limitless possibility. They don't even question like, “I can make like $10 million in one year like this,” because that's their level of awareness. We're in between where we're understanding the lessons of the Baby Boomers, understanding that wasn't necessarily the way to bring happiness into your life.

There was obviously many happy Baby Boomers. Try to find ourselves, living in this space, taking a whole like, lifetime to find ourselves. That's my case seems like it's your case as well. Now finding that light within us to then how to share that with the world. I tell you, it's like every day becomes an adventure. I feel I'm like a kid now. I'm like a kid in a candy shop. Anything now that I see is exciting to me. Just looking at my son is the most amazing thing in the world. Anything I'm doing in life, I'm always brought back to that present moment when I just look at him or with my wife, or when I'm in a show with you.

There's no place in the world I'd rather be right now than doing this show, having this conversation and seeing the beauty in this moment. It’s a beautiful way to live my life. It's never been that way for the longest time. Once I started accepting, living in those moments in between, living in that black space, slowing down the mind, slowing down the body, and just living in the heart and combining the mind and the heart. A lot of what you did at the Monroe Institute, that's really the gateway into divinity.

The Gateway Into Divinity

We're in this great time where we have access to all this amazing information. We don't have to travel literally by camel or by horse and walk continent to continent to study in a mountain for ten years. We can go to a Joe Dispensary retreat, we can go to the Monroe Institute, we can make our own DMT and blast off. I'm so grateful for being in this period of history where we have access to unlimited information. When I was a teenager, we didn't have internet. I didn't even have a cell phone then where now you can get information or you can get the answers to almost any question instantly. Access to books even. I read nonstop. To know that 100 years ago or a couple of hundred years ago, people didn't have access to books like that.

We are in a great time where we have access to all this amazing information.

When you have the type of intellectual curiosity that I have, and you have to know how grateful we are to be in this time period, to be able to absorb this information, to your point, it is a sense of childish excitement because you know that your desire to learn will never be satiated. There'll always be more information. Another cool thing living in today's society is that science and research is proving these ancient techniques, are proving these ancient Indian Vedic texts, are proving these Buddhist meditative monks that are going and humming and praying and vibrating. It's like, “Yeah, because they're vibrating at a resonance where everything is working together.” The Monroe Institute, like I said, they use binaural beats and different frequencies in each ear to elicit certain responses in your body, very similar to what people do in deep meditation.

A lot of that, I think ultimately, and all research seems to come down to endogenous DMT too. All of these states somehow naturally make your body pulse this DMT. We really are at an amazing time. We're so fortunate to know that there's no rabbit hole that we can't go down or that we can't experience. Now it's just a matter of what do we do with that information. Maybe that that's the big picture thing, like we were talking about before we started recording, where it's like, what's the point of all this? How do we integrate this into our personal lives, but then into society where, what is this next shift in human evolution? What do we do with this? No, I don't have the answer.

I certainly don't. I have the humility to know that I'm just a small data point in it all. I know that I went personally from my life of destruction, horribleness, depression, darkness and nastiness to full light, love, gratitude, connection. It sounds so corny to be like the kumbaya hippie dippy all is love shit, but I'm telling you that that is the answer. I got to that point from a very different and windy path, but it's the same path that a lot of people come to. Once you're there at that same mountaintop looking down, it's a beautiful place to be. That's the collective energy that will bring us to the next level, whatever that may be.

Every one of us that's searching, we live a lifetime of collecting this data and then gathering it, and then uploading it to the main consciousness server. We're all data points in this set of infinite knowledge. Once we finish these lives and we're all merging back into that, and then we realize, “Whatever I did, it was a major part of expansion of consciousness.” Everybody should be grateful for the opportunity to have this journey and then also to be part of that larger collective, because we're all one.

Connecting with you, this is our first conversation, and I feel like I found a soul brother again. It's been happening, like I told you, every single day, every week I'm finding some more people that are living that same path and they're having a very unique journey. It's not like we're all having the same exact experience, but everybody's bringing their little points, their little data sets, and enlightening each other as to what that journey is all about. I appreciate that.

It really is a resonating vibrational energy, and it will resonate and vibrate with like energies and bodies. That's really important because it's very clear when that dark, nasty energy walks in the room. It's very clear when there's depression and heaviness and just shit feelings and emotions. It's very clear when the opposite is. That energetic impression that you leave in a room, I also think over a course of a lifetime, that comic energy field or that resonant bubble that you walk around with is really important.

I think that's where you can have that domino effect of change, where you become that happy source of energy and light. I joke that I must be nauseating and sickening to the guys that I work with. I work with three grown burly men doing landscaping, and I'm constantly picking up the bugs and the bees and looking at the butterflies and salamander and whistling and saying, “Look at the mist doing rainbow prisms.”

Since I’ve been working with this, now they're doing the same thing. Now they're finding the bugs. Now they're taking a moment to smile. One customer came out and was joking about this other guy, how great his smile is now. He never smiled and I feel like I can't take credit for it. For two years in a row, every day, I bust this guy's balls about how beautiful his smile is and how he needs to share it. That resonant energy will keep spreading. I think now when he's sitting around his buddies, he's hopefully going to be more of that happy, positive than just sit there and don't share any energy.

It's really important. That's why you're, again, dedicating your life to showing people how to do this. It's going to be different and subjective for each person. I think that's a really important point. Everybody's going to have their own path because everybody has their own bullshit and trauma and scars that they need to get over, but you're not going to find that answer from somebody else. That answer has to come from within.

Maybe I wanted to start our interview with this, but as I was looking through your website, as I'm nodding through everything you're saying, I'm like, “This is great.” You and I have so much in common, but you have a quote, and if I may, it says, “You are the one you've been waiting for this whole time, and all the power you need to create the life of your dreams is within you waiting to be unleashed.”

That is such a powerful message. I just got goosebumps reading it because imagine if everybody knew that. If everybody knew that they are a facet of God. One of the questions that we were discussing prior, what is God? That's going to be different for everybody. For me, it’s an energy source of vibration. It's what permeates everything. It’s what allows consciousness in life to impart itself. It's not a religious sect. It's not some man or woman in the sky. It’s who we are at a true essence. We are God. We are part of that God. To know that makes you limitless. That doesn't mean that you're not flawed, that you're not going to make mistakes. That all of that's all part of that, too.

DMT: God is an energy source of vibration. It's what permeates everything. It's what allows consciousness in life to impart itself. It's who we are at our true essence. To know that makes you limitless.

That's part of the experience. That's part of the ebb and flow. You need the contrast in life. You need the pain to appreciate the love. You need the dark to appreciate the light. I needed to be poor to rich to appreciate just the riches that I had. Now when I have the riches again, I’m going to be so much more appreciative of it all. It all starts with really knowing that you are a divine spark and who you are is exactly who you should be. If you're not hurting anybody and not being a scumbag, shine your unique light. If you're a writer, write. If you're an artist, create art. Just know that everything you need is already within you.

We're all beautiful fractals of the infinite creator. Everyone's energetic imprint is essentially a QR code. When I look at your QR code, I'm downloading the world of knowledge that you've accumulated, and I'm the same way. Every everyone else is the same way. When my baby's in the elevator, there's like these real stoic guys on the elevator that don't smile, don't say hello, they look in my baby's eyes, and all of a sudden, they're smiling. Me and my wife see this every single day. We're like, “This is incredible.” We have the ability to raise each other up every single one of us.

I think an important point, part of that recognition of your own divine sauce and how beautiful you are and how worthy you are of your own expression and how worthy you are of life and resonance of gratitude and all of that. When you truly feel that at your core, you project that on everybody else as well. You know that everybody else has the worthiness of being able to express themselves. Everybody else has the worthiness of being able to come at it from their own perspective at their own part of this journey and process. They may not have learned some of the same lessons that you have, but that ability to understand that the other person's point of view and perspective is just as valid and is just as worthy. When you finally know that yours is that valuable, you just naturally project it onto other people.

It just allows for a more harmonious discourse to happen, especially in politics. I joke in my book about how I wish all politicians would go on an ayahuasca retreat or do shrooms or DMT, because it's just the humility, the empathy, the desire to try to understand the other side of you is really needed in political dialogue right now. There's no way that you treat other people like shit when you know how you want to be treated. That's a powerful lesson.

There's no way that you treat other people like shit when you know how you want to be treated. It's a powerful lesson.

If you could look at everybody as if they are the mirror of you, and yeah, maybe they have a different story, but they're all just looking to be happy to have love in their lives and they're coming into life. Are we with all of our pain points and all of the trauma that we've suffered with, and we're just all trying to do the best we can with the knowledge that we have? As you said, like everyone's perspective is what you perceive to be true is true. It's true for you. How can I tell you your perception is wrong? How could you tell me my perception is wrong?

We're just all trying to figure shit out. Nobody's got the answer book until we maybe meet our creator. We're just trying to follow our highest self and hopefully people are tapping into their highest self rather than listening to other people what they tell you should believe in because there's a lot of that also in society. There's a lot of cultish behavior on both sides of the political aisle and with religion and things like that. My goal, my mission in life is for everybody to find that inner light within themselves and listen to your highest self as the number one voice rather than the last voice following that intuition of yours. That's going to do more for you than any other person on this planet to tell you what to do.

Diversity is a beautiful thing. Uniqueness is a beautiful thing. Express yourself au authentically. With that perspective, you don't judge people on their race or color or their sex or their sexual orientation or their age or anything. It's like you appreciate all of that. I actually just got introduced to Harvard undergraduate psychedelics club. It's these young twenty-something year old kids. I say kids with all due respect. They're going to change the world. You don't get into Harvard just being a dummy. I'm sitting there at one of their presentations and I'm clearly the oldest guy in the back of the room, and I'm just shaking my head to be like, “I'm so blessed and honored to be in a room full of these new novel thinkers.”

Their way of thinking is going to be way different from my upbringing and from my perspective. To know that, that's exactly why I'm there. I don't want to go to a room full of 40 middle aged men who have had midlife crisis. There's only so much I can learn from them. These are the generations that I want to learn from. It is because they're different from me. Their perspective is unique for me, and I know I can learn from them. That doesn't mean I need to agree. That doesn't mean I need to change my views to theirs. I just like being exposed to different thoughts from a different person's lens. That's really the message that we're both sharing, too. People will get a lot more comfort if they just realize that the world wants to see them as their best selves, not them as second best somebody else.

DMT: The world wants to see you as your best self, not you as second best to somebody else.

Embrace that full on like a badass, like whatever. Be the weird DMT guy who goes to Monroe and writes books and swears a lot. If you don't like it, whatever. Fuck off if you do like it. I know to the right people that will resonate, and then I’ll find my tribe and I’ll respect everybody else's tribe along the way. I'm not going to try to fit in. I'm not going to try to be like, “I’ve got to make money again,” or, “I’ve got to fit into this real estate gig again.” I'm going to be happily Adam, and however that pans out, I’ll live with that.

The DMT Realm

I wanted to get back to the DMT realms. I read Strassman's books about the machine elves and many other testimonials about it. I want it from your perspective, because you've traveled so much in there, not only just that first session, but for the last few years. Tell us what you believe the DMT realm to be. Is it a different dimension? Is it within your own psyche? What do you think? Where are you traveling to, essentially?

Of all the people studying it, I think everybody has the humility to be like, “This is a theory. I don't know.” I think the unique differentiation is that when you're on other psychedelics, or even all the altered states, so you're in a fever or whatever, you're scared because you think you saw a ghost, you're typically experiencing the world through your five senses. Even if you're tripping out on shrooms, it's like the wall is melting, but you're looking at that wall through your eyes. You're seeing it melt, but you know you're experiencing the physical world through your senses.

The DMT space is completely different. Can you microdose DMT and is there a range in effects? Absolutely. I have a chapter about transcendental sex, art and science where you can actually use it to enrich some of these aspects of your life. You can open your eyes and see the tapestry and see it move and see the colors around and stuff like that. However, when you have that breakthrough session where you actually do get blasted into DMT space or that DMT realm where you're not just in your room seeing extra sensory stuff, it is so profoundly different and unique than anything you've ever experienced.

This is where there's a big ontological discussion of what this all means because it doesn't appear to be fabricated from any one individual's mind. At 44 years old, growing up in New England, with all of my background in history, there's no way I could possibly create the intricacy and complexity of these realms. To have that idea of mathematics and physics and movement and shapes, there's no way that there's anything in my prior history that could construct anything that would be remotely similar to a DMT realm.

The crispness and the vividness of all the edges and how it moves, it's way different from being drugged up by an LSD or mushrooms or sitting in like a VR space or an IMAX 3D cinema. We've got all of these sensory inputs. Those are great and really stimulating, but it's different from, “Shit, I'm in a different space.” That's where there's exciting research now going on with the DMT extended state, where they're doing the intravenous drip. They're trying to get these people to be in there for half hour, an hour or two hours because the similarities are really profound. You read trip reports and you read the interactions and you mentioned machine elves or jesters or entities, and these are Joe Rogan terms.

I’ve experienced all of those entities because it really is like an ambiance and a flavor and a vibe when you go into this space. There are different areas of that world or realm where there are very fun amusement park energies. There's also very dark authoritative, like, “Shit, we got to sit you down and teach you a lesson.” There are feminine energies. Some are sexual and really fun, some are more mother motherly and nurturing. All of these things are way different from a lucid dream, way different from a trip, way different from just a deep meditation. My point of going to Monroe Institute was really to compare their elevated states and they claim to be able to get people to as actual project and have out of body experiences and do remote viewing and everything.

I say claim. It works. It does happen. You really can feel the different energetic levels of your body do different things. Nothing like DMT space. It's its own place. That's where there's a lot of interesting research going on by dedicated scientists in hardcore labs, whether it be like Imperial College. It's trying to put terms to what is this space? It's clearly there. A way for me to try to describe it too, and I mentioned how I feel DMT removes the veil. It’s not like you're being drugged up and dumbed. You're being increased and enriched. Your five senses get dialed up to a million when you're on DMT, but then you also have multiple other senses that come on.

I don't have a name for those, I don't think anybody does, but you clearly are able to interpret and absorb information from other wavelengths other than just sight, sound, and things like that. I think it's just a matter of when you do DMT, your body can vibrate and hum and resonate at higher, more refined levels of energy. Therefore, you can receive different insights and different interactions. That's what's happening in that space. What it is, that's the mystery that I know I'm going to dedicate the rest of my life to trying to figure out. It's way different from any other psychedelic experience that I’ve done anyway.

Are you Adam Butler having the same mind when you go into these places or do you dissolve that whole human body, human existence thing and you're a different being in there?

That answer has a couple ways of going, too. I’ve experienced some really cool and profound experiences in that DMT space. To mostly answer your question, yes, 98% of those experiences, it's me, and I call myself like Earth Adam 44 when I do my prayer, like, “This current Earth Adam 44.” It's me enjoying the DMT space interacting with these entities. There have been times where there was this one time where I interacted with my future self, and it was a very clear, comforting energy that yes, this was me. I was coming back to do a diagnostic check to be like, “You're on course. Everything's good.” That was a really weird one because it put a lot of things in perspective, including fear of death and all of that shit.

I have had very distinct feelings of living past lives as well. Maybe just a fun one, which was actually really cool. I was with my girlfriend and we use it as part of our intimate routine. Instantly, I felt as though in another body from like the ‘70s. Normally, I go to really like odd, extraterrestrial space type of places. This was very clear, a motel and a bowling alley.

It’s like a ‘70s porn.

It was fun. That's not anything that I'm into. I don't watch movies like that, but I remember the handrails, I remember the carpet, and I remember clearly having sex with this woman. Was it my girlfriend's spirit from another age? That was a very weird, like, “Shit, why am I seeing all this clear vivid motel imagery?” To that really where you do disassociate from your physical body and you do realize that you are more than that physical body where I have felt as though that energy has interacted with other more archetypal collective conscious entities. I felt as though I went and I don't want to say like, visited the Akashic records, like it's some physical library, but felt as though I got to this space where all of encoded information was there and I was able to go through it and have access to that information as I wanted. I wasn't a funny looking, bald guy walking through that. That was more just my eternal energy that was able to go there. It's hard to put all this stuff into terms without sounding crazy.

When you went to that space of, say, the Akashic records type environment, were you able to bring anything back with you or was just like insights or do you not remember everything that you've experienced while being there?

The take home from that, I guess the funny or comical interaction with that was I remembered being presented this space and being in awe being like, “How am I having access to this?” It wasn't like there was a gatekeeper there that was preventing me from coming in. It was more like, there was this entity there that was welcoming. I was like, “How do I even begin? How do I even explore this?” They chuckle and was just like, “You helped create this. You're part of the source of this.” It really made me feel, again, that sense of one in being, and that's also a very common feeling, which goes into all of what we've been saying. You really do come out of these experiences like you are one with everybody, one with source, like we've been saying. That was the take home from there.

What I would like is to figure out who built the pyramids and what about aliens? Did I find any of that?  No, but that's where I think the DMT extended state is going to be an important part of it because as soon as you're there, you’re taken back right away. The beauty of the 6, 7, 8-minute session is also one of its limitations. There's been a lot of weird separations of who I physically am now, but it adds to the layer of fun, like we talked about going through this life, playing it like a game, knowing that there is more to it and it does give you some levity to go through it. You don't have to be so serious about everything. It’s a powerful experience.

The cool part of going through all this too is once you've experienced that, you can't unsee it. When I'm not on DMT, when I'm in my normal walking state, I'm still quite aware of the magic that's around me. I'm aware of that all this vibrational energy that's encoded with information is still swirling around me. It's just a DMT blast away. Probably more importantly, it's more quiet your mind, shut your eyes, sit down in a quiet space, and that information's there. It's always there. It's the power of having these experiences too. The power is always accessible because you can tap it from within our core. You're part of that same universal source too, and you just mend with it. That's how you become limitless.

It seems like it just widens your perspective so much further beyond what this human life is. It could be when you're traveling across the galaxies and into different dimensions and meaning, beings that are not from here, but are from here. Maybe just living in a, in just like a shift over parallel reality. It blows my mind to think how vast all of it is. How do you reconcile seeing all this stuff and then coming back here? Do you just walk around with a smile on your face and be like, “It is what it is?”

Enjoy your wife, enjoy your kid. Write books, be happy. Yeah, it’s very powerful. To the person who's a nihilist or maybe somebody that doesn't believe in any of this highest stuff, maybe we're both wrong. That's possibility. The beauty of this information and what we're talking about is it allows this reality, whatever it may be, to be that much more enjoyable to live in. To have that much less physical stress, to have that much more meaningful relationships to have that much more of a purpose in life. Am I open to the fact that maybe my theory about DMT realm and entities are wrong? Maybe my thought about consciousness and love and gratitude being the next step in human evolution is wrong, maybe it is.

Consciousness, love, and gratitude allows you to live a more happy, content, and blissful life. That allows the people around you to absorb that and then pass it on.

It allows me to live a more happy, content, blissful life, and it allows the people around me to then absorb that and then pass that on. It allows me to not be like most people, be pissed off every day at their job, at their spouses, have road rage, come home and yell at the TV, get mad at the news. So many people are pissed off where, and I used to be that guy, and it drove me literally to the brink of killing myself. Maybe I'm delusional and maybe I'm completely off on this, but I don't think so because so many other people have come to the same conclusion that don't use drugs at all, or that that haven't had any of the same shit happen. They're like, “No. Love and gratitude and connection is it.”

I'm not lying when I said for about three years, I’ve just had an amazing blissful life where every day, I'm excited to experience the day. Every night when I go to bed, I have prayers of gratitude and contentment and truly tears in my eyes of just how thankful I am to be here. I wouldn't trade that for the six-figure income or the fancy houses or the vacations a year, because when I had all of that, I was going to bed fucking crying tears of sadness and loneliness and depression and, “what am I doing wrong?” Now I don't have any of those, those thoughts. Even me just saying that another flash of goosebumps. Fuck, if I can induce my own goosebumps multiple times a day because I keep giving flashes that I'm on purpose and I'm on a right path.

I think about several of my friends right now that are working a 9:00 to 5:00 job. They may have more material wealth and money, but they're miserable. They're not going to the gym after they're not smoking a joint with their mom when they get off. All of the awesome stuff that I get to experience because I'm authentically being me, those people aren't experiencing because they're not being their authentic selves. That's the message that seems to be what we're all trying to say. Find your own path and do it, do it your authentic way. You smile like me, like you and like several of your other guests. That's pretty cool.

The Monroe Institute And Hemi-Sync Technology

We talked about at the beginning that there's many paths to this realization where we find love, gratitude, happiness, and DMT was obviously one major catalyst for you that blasted you skyrocketing towards this place. Also, you mentioned that you went to the Monroe Institute. That's something that I’ve been really wanting to learn more about because ever since I heard about I think there was a CIA declassified document that came out, it's called the Gateway Process. I was like, “This sounds so cool,” but is it a honeypot for the CIA to develop these MK Ultra killers? Yeah, tell us about your experience going to the Monroe Institute in Virginia and what the Monroe Method is exactly.

I was interested in it for the same reasons you were. You read the CIA documents and all the remote viewing stuff. A couple of things. It is the most beautiful campus, amazing program. It's worth every penny that you could possibly spend, and it really does profoundly change your life. It can be a transformational experience. That being said, it really just gets you connected to who you truly are, truly are at your source. How the Monroe Institute came about was the founder, Robert Monroe, was a wealthy and well-to-do radio guy. He ended a bunch of AM and FM radio stations and everything was going good until he had his first out of body experience. He remembered being in bed, rising out of his bed and actually bumping against the ceiling and looking down and seeing a man laying in bed with his wife and getting pissed, being like, “Who the hell is this man in bed with my wife?”

He realized, “Shit, that's me.” It freaked him out and couldn't really explain it. This happened multiple times over the course of like the following months or a year. He had the resources to then now dedicate like, “What is happening? Clearly, there's something pretty profound that's going on.” He was trying to understand what vibrational wavelengths in your brain correlate with different states of consciousness. Whether you're in a deep, steep sleep state, highly excited, or in an energetic state where you can interact with ghosts or things like that, or whether you can actually get to a point where you can remote view and astral project, he did find a correlation and it's similar to what Dispenza was saying. Once you get the brain and heart to get being in coherence, and once you're able to control how those vibrate and interact with one another, you really can get to different levels of bliss and elated states.

My understanding is the brain can only pick up, I think, under like 40 hertz, or can't pick up anything under 40 hertz or 20 hertz or something like that. A lot of these wavelengths are under that. What he found is that he does hemisphere synchronization of the brain. You wear headphones and you have different frequencies in each ear. One ear would have a 100, the other one would have 108. Your brain is registering that 8 hertz frequency difference. Those are the states that you can push to get your body to go to these different levels. The program is getting comfortable having your body feel like what actually feels like to be in these different states with the headphones on. That was one of my biggest questions, like, “Will I know when I'm in focus 10 or I'm in focus 12? What's the difference between focus 12 and 21? Do you really feel love in focus 18?

Yes, the answer is after experiencing a week of this, each one of those focus levels, because they make your body vibrate and make your brain vibrate at a different frequency, make you receptive to different levels of information. That’s what they're focusing on now. What you do with that information, whether you're using it to become a spy and to find out where the Russian sub is or whether you're using it to find kidnap kids or whether you're using it just to talk to your dead grandmother. They have programs that direct all of those types of things. The real sum of the story, and that's why I come up with all these different similarities to DMT or the deep meditation, is it's all about knowing yourself, understanding the connection between your mind and body, understanding how the physiology of it works, knowing that there is a difference between your physical body and your energetic body and your spiritual body.

You learning how to manipulate those. I came away there just so impressed with how they present the program and really how it works. Probably the biggest take home, which I wasn't expecting, and if anybody is interested, I mentioned about that paper that I wrote, I'd be more than happy to share it if anybody wants to read it. Maybe big picture and why we're talking about all this, the group mentality or the group power that came out of that was something that I was not expecting. I was one out of 25 participants and it's a really intimate session where you're doing 8 to 10 hours a day, then you're doing these debriefs and really people are opening up themselves. I was not prepared for how powerful that experience of sharing their energy and having them receive mine was going to be from my own personal transformation.

It goes to the point of how important it is to share this message that we're sharing with society and with our neighbors because I know now that I made a group of friends for life of these 25 amazingly powerful people. As much as I'd like to think we were all like these spiritual, energetic rock stars, and I think we were, there were some amazing powers there, but we're all that beautifully powerful source of God. We all can do that. I feel like pick any random group of 25 people and put them in that setting and the cohesiveness and the power of that group coming out of it is enough to change the world. Keep doing that at a grander scale. I say this in the paper. It's not like everybody has to go to Monroe where everybody has to find Jesus or to do DMT.

Everybody's going to understand their own true power and that there's a connection there that will make life better. It’s a weird way of answering what Monroe Institute was, but in essence, they use binaural beats in different frequencies in each ear to elicit different energetic responses in your body. Yeah, it works. Another point with that is you're forced to practice and take time for yourself. That's an important part of it too.

Could you just listen to one focus level, plug it in, and are you going to have this response where you're going to leave your body? Probably not, because you're not trained and you're not practiced and you're not in the right space to do that. If you're doing it on day four of your meditation and you're truly giving the respect to why you're there and you've given it the time that it needs, then you will experience that. It’s like anything. There's no magic pill to it. You've got to give it the time that it needs.

It's understanding a process and practicing it. Obviously, it's not just going to you don't just show up and be like, “I'm psychic now,” but all we have the ability. It’s technology. We have to understand how the code works.

Everybody does have their own superpowers, so to speak. Not everybody's going to be able to remote view or talk to angels or whatever. We all will have our own unique power. That's what we'll get pulled out of doing a session like that. That's what we'll get pulled out of a DMT session as well as a gateway experience. You see how your own body vibrates and what its own power is, and then you can use your tool for the greatest good, including not self-destruction. First and foremost, not to self-destruct. From there, all the other creative stuff is just icing on the cake.

DMT: Everybody has their own unique power. That's what will get pulled out of a DMT session, as well as a Gateway experience.

The Gateway Process And The CIA

Tell us a little bit about what the CIA found fascinating about this place and what they actually developed. They came up with an entire document about their use of this material.

I was very fortunate to have a three-and-a-half-hour personal conversation with Joe McMoneagle. He's the main guy.

Yeah, he did a podcast with Sean Ryan.

I sat that close to him, literally five feet from me as he was telling me his story. To put it in perspective, he's worked for five different presidents. He has all of these major accomplishments under his belt, and just a couple of things that separate his story and things I'm talking about, I know what I experienced and I'm not asking anybody to believe me. I try to share my story so that way people can get benefit from it. What they're doing in the stories that they've used about remote viewing and things are, they're saying, “This is over there,” or, “These blue sneakers in this red backpack are in the shed and the little kid’s up the mountain and there he is.”

In that case in The Hunt for Red October, where they were like, “No, listen, there's this huge nuclear sub. It's in this plant, it's got forward-facing guns.” He described all of these things. Those can all be proven to be factually true. That's why the CIA kept pumping tens and tens of millions of dollars into these programs because they just kept coming out with evidence that was just like, “How are you possibly doing that?”  He told some personal stories. I don't feel like I should share something because some of it was hardcore, Pentagon-type shit, where he had to prove to people. They were like, “Who's the rat? If you don't tell us where you're getting your information, we are going to take you out.”

He had to use his own abilities to be like, “You're cheating on this person,” and whatever. He had to like pull up dirt on people to be like, “I know shit that only you would know, and this is how I know it because of this technology.” That's where they became believers really quick because he wasn't doing it for fame. If anything, it ruined a lot of aspects of his life. He's one of the only survivors in that program because of the stress. They all died in their 30s and 40s of like heart attacks because of stress and shit. In essence, they were able to train their mind to leave their body, so to speak. There's this whole, “How does it work?”

You try to describe quantum physics and time loops and how time can be malleable and are they really just confirming information from the future, but bringing it to the past. He doesn't even quite know how he does it all, but it does factually pan out where your mind can go to different locations than your body and bring back actual factual information. Not like Adam saying, “I talked to this purple dressed lady.” It's like, “No, listen, there's a file in that drawer that says this,” and it's actually there. From my reading of the CIA paperwork was that one, they confirmed that it worked. They analyzed all of the technology and that the HemiSync programs and that worked and that they even used that the term non-corporeal beings, like basically, be prepared to have interactions with non-corporeal beings.

That's in a government document saying that they're dealing with entities that aren't human and physical. Just to have that explicitly in the paper is like, “Shit.” One of the take home message too is that once these people went through these programs and they were able to see God or able to tap into that higher being or to remove the veil or whatever analogy you want to use, they all came back with a sense of oneness and the sense of love and gratitude that we're all saying that we got. My understanding was the program fizzled out because the best and brightest that were the best at doing this wanted nothing to do with harming people wanted nothing to do with nuclear shit, wanted nothing to do with other than, “I need to share this information for good, not to work as a government employee.”

Three takeaways. One is that the technology actually worked. Two is that people were on record interacting with non-corporeal, whether that's alien, spirits or ghosts, that they're interacting with it. Three is once you've experienced that, there's no way that you're going to be the same person. You will come back with a sense of connection to your fellow human. Those three reasons were also why I wanted to go there and experience it.

I feel as though I confirmed all of it, that yes, the technology does work, that yes, you can interact with other beings and entities different from the DMT space entities, but I did have some really cool, profound interactions. Three, the overall message that got taken out of it was one of love, gratitude, and connection. It seems to be now confirmed for many years that this is all happening.

It makes all the sense in the world why the military doesn't want people to going down this route because it's the ultimate love pill. They don't want that.

Another thing that he said, which is why they've been blackballing the program and they've actually had covert programs to discredit the program. He's sitting there saying that through all of that, this experience, and he's mentioned this, like a handful of people that can do it just as good as him and really are really good at it, that there's absolutely no way to defend against it. That's the scariest part. He goes, they've experienced where they got ten feet of concrete wall that they've got feet of lead, like radiation blocking stuff so that there's no way that they've separated people from across the continent. That information can be conveyed that defies space and time. That's the scary part of it. Governments want to figure it out, but they also don't want to put too many eyes on it because there's no way of defending it.

They don't want other countries getting access to this technology because of their own safety or whatever.

China and Russia would be the two main opponents or whatever. They're actively putting a lot of money into these programs because it works. I want to use it to go see spirits of my dead grandfather and whatever or interact with aliens, but there are whole groups of people that are using it to try to harm people.

One of the other takeaways is they understood the nature of the holographic universe and how everything is a simulation or projection coming from somewhere.

In a government paper. That's the weird part that's saying this woo-woo, out there esoteric shit, but they're finding it. The more and more you go down these rabbit holes of secret agencies and what they're finding, the more you realize there's a lot more that's not being shown. I don't want to go down the Illuminati and Secret of Society type shit, but I’ve been reading a lot of Manly Hall's work. I just read The Secret Teachings Of All Ages. He really just matter of fact break down of a lot of these esoteric teachings and groups and information and some of these really eclectic groups of NASA scientists. There's a lot of weird shit going on. A lot of weird rituals and alien type stuff, even with this UFO disclosure.

Maybe it ties into what we were saying, how there is this consciousness shift happening. There is this pivotal point, and I think whether it be the UFO disclosure, whether it be the psychedelic renaissance, people that are religious know that there's this Armageddon second coming happening where there is this, I think, buildup of energy. It's exciting time to be around and shit. Shit's going to hit the fan either way.

We both follow Sam Tripoli. He is a comedian. He is got a Tin Foil Hat podcast. He always talks about we're literally living in every single movie that's ever been created, happening all at once. Literally everything that you see in the movies is real on some level because it's been inspired by reality.

I hate this. My day-to-day waking, walking life confirms that, but again, because of that, then walk around skipping and whistling and spinning around. Don't walk around with your head down kicking rocks, being like, “This sucks.”

It's a waste of time to be upset about anything. Whether you're happy in life or sad in life, you could have the same exact experiences, but it's a choice. At the end of the day, you're not going to regret being happy. Even if you're hypnotizing yourself or you’re making it all up in your mind, you're literally creating a reality by choosing those thoughts.

This is a practical point that we can make. As we talked about your family and you interacting with your new child and wife. Part of my story is how I had really three long-term relationships that ended horribly. It sucks because of how bad I was treating myself, which then conveyed to treating them. Part of all of this lesson too, is that you get to love and appreciate your partner that much greater in that much more fully and wholly where the things that used to piss me off with the other women I was with, now, I can appreciate this woman's quirks.

I’ve been with Alicia. She's the one that wrote the chapter in the book as well. The ability to enjoy somebody's personality and quirks and uniqueness is awesome. To truly be in a loving relationship that's unconditional is something that I haven't experienced up. Until my clarity with DMT and this whole removing the veil thing. I don't know how why I wanted to just throw that in there, but just the fact that you can really appreciate your partner, I don't have to lose the amazing relationships that I once had because of not seeing the person for who they really are. Once you're able to do that, again, it’s awesome.

Unconditional love is also reconciling all the past mistakes, all the past hurt and forgiving, and if there's any reason to apologize, just doing it on an energetic level, it clears the slate for you to then have a really open, amazing container that you can support that unconditional love. If we're carrying our past traumas and pains and all this stuff, it's almost impossible for us to experience that with someone new.

Part of learning how to know yourself too, I know this was an important part of my growth being an “alpha” male that was always trying to be this macho guy to embrace the feminine aspects of myself and then with the other women that I was with was a really important part of it too. The wholeness that comes from that, the energetic build that comes from that was something that I'm so happy, I’ve incorporated into my life because I can appreciate my emotional attributes and my feminine attributes that much more. I don't try to change them in Alicia or my mom or my nieces. You're able to stick a step back and look at everybody almost through the lens of God.

Not to bring it to a religious thing because I'm not religious and I'm not of any one sect, but to really view the people that you're talking through that lens, it’s beautiful because you really get to feel that. I think about the women that left me, and rightly so, how many times I yell at them? How many times have I raised my voice, puffed up my chest, pointed my finger, swore or had the veins in my temples bulging out, where it's like, “Why would you ever try to convey information that?” As opposed to the loving, soft eyes that I give to Alicia where I'm always just trying to be calm and convey what I want to convey. I’ll never go back to that way of living.

I come back to easy and physiologically comforting, but that's what I think a lot of people are. They uncomfortable in their own body and their own skin and their own relationships. It's just a matter of that perspective shift where all those little annoyances that you used to think can actually now be beautiful little quirks that make you love that person even more. You even turn that on yourself. All those little quirks that a lot of people beat themselves up about, those quirks can become your greatest attributes.

Reconciling that shadow. The more we try to suppress that shadow part of us, it's like a buoy. You try to push it underwater, eventually, it's going to pop. Facing it, appreciating it, loving it, and understanding that pain of the shadow that you're carrying is going to propel you, but transmuting that energy because it’s there and it has to be dealt with. It’s when we try to suppress anything, that's when the bad stuff starts happening and infects us. When we're able to face it with love and integrity and authenticity, then yeah, magical things.

You use it as a badge of honor. Me and Alicia use the analogy all the time of having a Girl Scout badge or Boy Scout badges where you have this sash with all these badass experiences that you've been through. Unfortunately, the most difficult badges to earn are just that, the most difficult badges to earn. Now I know with all the shit that I’ve walked through that like I am one tough mofo. I’ve earned some crazy life badges, and because of that, I have the confidence to walk through life now with a certain sense of knowing and accomplishment and humility.

It's tough to get those badges. We've all walked down these dark paths but you can use that for your advantage. You can use that as strength. You can use it to show that you can survive. I look forward now to gaining those badges, knowing that any adversity will lead to some good or learning opportunity. You see where it all goes. Keep earning the badges.

I love that analogy. I'm going to start using that. It's really embracing every moment that's happened to you in the past and all the pain, all the pleasure, all of it and bringing it to the now because that's who you are. This beautiful smile that you have, that we all shine is made up of all the experiences in the collective that we've had. I definitely want to share that write-up that you did after the Monroe Institute. Really beautiful share on your end. Can you tell us a little bit about just summarizing what your major realizations were after having that experience?

When I was there, I mentioned I was one of 25 people, and there was a large range of age of different jobs from professional athletes, doctors, and lawyers and there were several of them that had never heard of DMT. There were several of them that actually had tried DMT. There was a whole range of interactions and discussions that I had that week. One of the things that I wanted to share through it all was that my path isn't necessarily going to be the same that everybody needs to take, and that these other people's paths were way different from mine. Yet here we are at the end of the week with these same realizations. It was a quick, easy paper to want to say, drugs aren't the path. Monroe isn't the path. It's this internal knowing of yourself, which is the path. That really was the take-home message.

There were ten big bullet points that I felt as though I came away from that both DMT got me to that realization, but as well as the gateway experience. I have the paper here, not that I'm going to read them all, but I guess it's easier just because there are some points and really basic points. The first one, you're more than your physical body. That's actually their slogan. Once you realize that you are more than your physical body, it just opens up a whole new realm of expansion and possibilities and sense of limitlessness. We know that we're not refined to that, but I also want to put an asterisk to that. A lot of the meditations we would go into stating that we're more than a physical body, but I always add, but this physical body is beautiful.

This physical body is awesome because that's an important part. Let's not transcend this meat suit or get out of the 3D to the 5D. The physical body is also really beautiful, but you need to know that you are more than that. The concept that everything is energy of vibration. Pretty basic, and I know you definitely agree with that. The next concept of self-knowledge leads to self-love, which will then lead to love of your neighbor. We've been talking about all of those aspects and how important that is.

The next one, alien ghost, DMT entities and non-corporeal energy forms are real. I have the “non-corporeal energy” forms in quotations because that's actually the term that was in the government CIA paper. That realization that those other beings and entities are out there, I think once you have that or have experienced it, or you've been abducted by aliens or interact with entities and things like that, it humbles you when you know that there are greater beings and forces. That realization, I think, one, is just put it in your pipe and smoke it how you may.

The other one, we are all one and we're all facets of source. We've been talking about that throughout the entire episode. The next one is that we're never alone, and this is with people around you physically, if you need a hug or if you need a shoulder to lean on, or if you need a sandwich or a bed to lay in for most people, unless you've burned every bridge, just that concept of like, “I would truly not be on this planet if I didn't have the love and support of my family and friends and strangers.”

Honestly, when I was walking on the streets, on the train tracks at 2:00 in the morning, some of my most profound conversations were with strangers that didn't know me, but just gave me love. The idea of that you're never alone, that there are people and humans to support you, but then also the spiritual and energetic forces and angels and your guides that are around you, people may not know necessarily how to tap into them, but they're there. That's a really powerful force and to know that you're never alone.

Next concept is that it's natural, innate, and endogenous. This all comes from within, whether it be truly DMT is endogenous or just that sense of self and love and gratitude is going to come from within. It's not from making money, it's not from a job. It's not from having a good-looking spouse or having a fancy car. All of these beautiful vibrations of energy do come from within. Another concept is that the otherworldly realms and alternative dimensions are real and ever-present. It again goes in with that there are other entities around. Once you realize that there's more than just earth in this 3D dimension, it opens up more possibilities of being limitless.

The last two. Repair of trauma, processing loss, and putting it into perspective, I thought both the Monroe Institute and doing DMT really put people's trauma and their past into perspective. There were people there who had buried their children. There were people there that were raped. There were people there that were abused. There were some hardcore stories that were being shared. How do you put all that into perspective in a way where you can use it to your advantage?

A topic that we've been discussing throughout the episode, it’s just really important to be able to put the past in perspective, where it doesn't negate the future or it doesn't completely dictate how you live in the future. Really the big one, which is how we're ending our discussion here, which is the next progressive step in human evolution. Now what do we do with this information? What do we do with your life calling and change? What do we do with Amish now getting out of making money in the way that he was doing selling ads to now making documentaries about ancient medicine and things like that? How do I go from making a shit ton of money in real estate or selling marble and granite to now sharing the message of love and light and connection?

That's what I think is the purpose of your show. Me writing books and me writing that paper and everything is now what's the next step of human evolution? How do you raise your beautiful son in a world that isn't based on hatred, divisive speech, bringing the person down and ruining our planet? It's just we can talk for another hour and a half about all the ways that humans are ugly and nasty to ourselves and to the planet, but we have the power to change ourself, just I had the power to change myself from being dark, negative, suicidal, to being what I am now. As individuals, we can change humans as a group. We can do that by changing our consciousness and having it be a consciousness of what we've just been talking about. Limitless love, innate gratitude, unlimited power, connection to source. There we are.

Adam's Purpose On Earth

Extraordinary. Thank you. You’re a beautiful soul, and it was such a pleasure getting to know you and hearing your story and reading your papers and reading your book and everything. It's been on my mind ever since I delved deep into this work that you're doing. Your stuff alone has been giving me perspective changes. I came back from Peru and had an amazing mind-altering experience and all that. Yours is just your stuff has even expanded it further. I think everything, every person comes into your life exactly at the right time with the, with the right information. Just to end the show, why do you think you came here to planet Earth and what do you want to experience now going forward?

I guess it would be to experience being a human in its absolute fullest. From the pinnacle highs to the devastating lows, I feel as though I’ve been able to truly experience a very full life where at 44 years of age, I feel I could pass right now and I'd be so blessed and happy. I feel if as a soul I could pick a body or a life to come into, I would pick this very one with all the bullshit and all the drama because it's so colorful and so beautiful, and it's a story that I would want to read. I think I'm here to really experience what it's to be a really fun human and now what the purpose is, I’ve trying to learn to take out the phrase, it's corny to say, or it's corny or I feel it's corny because it takes away from the power of it.

I really owe this at the Monroe Institute where we had to know what's our purpose. It’s not corny. My purpose is to spread love. How that happens, when that happens or whatever, whether it be to the suicidal veteran who's a guy beating himself up with alcohol or the beautiful young woman who needs to be told she's beautiful, or the old guy who's at the end of life who just needs somebody to sit there and hold his hand to whatever it may be.

DMT: My purpose is to spread love. If I can help people see their own beauty, then I'll know that's what my purpose is.

I know I was somebody that was so dark and ruined love and ruined light and was just nasty. Now I want to try to make as good on that as possible, and I want to spread it as much love and light and really just try to help people see their own beauty. Not the beauty that I think they should be or that whatever, it really is just, here's the mirror to yourself and look at how beautiful you really are. If I can help people do that, then I’ll know. That's what my purpose is. It wasn't the money, it wasn't the real, real estate success. It wasn't any of that shit. It's to help people find inner happiness and love.

The most simplest, but the most beautiful way to live life. It doesn't have to be so fucking complicated.

It doesn't because everything else will fall into place. Tragically, you hear about the famous person or the movie star or the music person that has everything on paper, they brought all the fame, all the money, everything and they're the ones that are going to off themselves or OD on drugs because that doesn't lead to happiness at all. It's the person who's comfortable in their own skin sitting on the coast with their back up against a tree watching the sunset who can induce their own goosebumps. That's the success.

I think it's a matter of finding balance where we have to live in this society. We have to play in this matrix, so to speak. We do have to deal with the stresses of life, and we do need to make money, and we do need to deal with assholes in society. There will be them, but it's a matter of finding a balance and not being pushed or skewed into too far of a direction. If your body is giving you stress signals, listen to them. Take the time to listen to them and fix them. Otherwise, you'll self-destruct and you'll be no good to anybody.

Finding Heaven Within

Part of this game is having that thing to balance this out, having to pay taxes and having to make money to afford to live and all this stuff. That's part of it. I think the lesson is how do you do that and still react and show up happy and show up ha healthy and be nice to everybody and kind and loving to yourself. If we were given all the answers and all the money and all the freedom and all the love and all the lessons right away, what would be the fun in all of this? What would be the experience? What would be the lessons?

I really don't see a point of just having it all until you understand the underlining meaning of life, whatever that is for you. I think that you saying that you wouldn't trade your life for anyone else's, I feel the same exact way. I truly pray that everyone becomes the hero of their own story and finds that same mindset of like, “My life is fucking incredible and I wouldn't trade that for anyone else's.”

That, to me, is the ultimate goal. Everybody feels as though their soul is in the exact body that it should be. I got goosebumps again saying that because I really feel that with me. I really feel like I don't want to be an eagle. I don't want to be Michael Jordan. I don't want to be a fucking dolphin. I don't want to be me in 100 years. I don't want to be a famous Stephen King author. My soul is so happy being in me right now as Earth Adam 44. That, to me, is the ultimate goal of all of this, of any psychedelic journey, of any spiritual retreat of anything. If your soul can be happy with where it is and it's not seeking to go elsewhere, then that's it. You're home. That's heaven on earth. That's, that's the heaven within, that's, that's utopia, that's nirvana and all of those terms. That's it. When your soul is happy in its own place, and it’s place is in you.

The ultimate goal of any psychedelic journey or spiritual retreat is for the soul to be happy with where it is and not seeking to go elsewhere.

I couldn't have said it any better, my friend. We'll definitely end the show on that one. How can we learn more about you, Adam?

The social media that I use most is Instagram. The handle is @BooksByAdamButler. My email is BooksByAdamButler@Gmail.com. I welcome anybody to reach out if they feel as though I can help in any way. My book is available on Amazon as well as where any books are sold. It does have an audio version as well as Kindle. The audio version is read in my voice. If you want to hear my nice New England accent, I swear a lot, it is available. I'm in the middle of writing my next book, so that'll hopefully be out in the spring. I’ve got a couple of other papers coming out. I’ve got a couple more podcasts that are lined up. My plan is just to try to be in this space as long as I feel as though I can be helpful. Right now, the feedback has been really positive. I’ll keep sharing my message and I’ll share yours because I like what you are doing too.

I appreciate it. I’m grateful to connect with you and so happy that we could have this sacred conversation. I think it'll inspire many people. I want to just thank you for being you, brother. It’s a real pleasure.

Thank you. Happy to be alive. I'm happy you're alive and I'm happy we're here together. I wish you and your beautiful family the best. I hope that little dude knows that he's already bringing light and laughter to smiles to people he doesn't even know by just sitting there getting a picture taken of him. The perfect way to end it. This young man who's new to this planet, who doesn't even know how much power he has is affecting that much vibrational energy where he's making people's lives in days better just by his cute little face. Imagine that multiplied when he's older and wiser or anybody that can do that. That's the power we all have. Be that light for somebody else. I look forward to seeing you flourish and grow and him as well, and your wife and all of that good stuff.

Thank you, brother. You as well.

Thanks. Talk to you soon.

Important Links

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• Butler's DMT Field Guide

• DMT: The Spirit Molecule

• Becoming Supernatural

• The Secret Teachings Of All Ages

• Adam Butler's Email

About Adam Butler

Adam Butler is a psychedelic philosopher and passionate DMT psychonaut focusing on mental health, neuroplasticity, self-exploration, and the extreme limits of human potential and ability. Combining an academically trained intellect, empathetic heart, and life-hardening experiences, Adam has found his niche in helping others overcome the fear associated with PTSD, depression, sexual repression, and addiction. By incorporating psychedelic compounds with deep meditation, lucid dreaming, and tantric practices he has changed from being an over worked, over-weight, stressed-out alcoholic asshole into a balanced, healthy, and sober friend and mentor to many.